Salesianum won its fourth straight swimming and diving title, with AI finishing second, 14 points ahead of Charter. Seems to me that was one of the faster overall state meets in my memory, definitely in the last 4 years. Results to come soon, along with final all state predictions.
Just got the results...they are located
here. Team Scores are
here. More discussion on the results to come tomorrow, but for tonight, I need sleep. Congratulations to everyone involved with the State Meet, from the swimmers to the coaches to the officials, this meet was truly a job well done all around.
Preliminary All-State Lists:
| 1st Team All State |
| Name | School | Class | Event #1 | Points #1 | Event #2 | Points #2 | Total |
| Tanner Kurz | Del Mil Acad | FR | 100 Fly | 141 | 100 Breast | 149 | 290 |
| Clifton Gordon | Salesianum | SO | 100 Fly | 143 | 100 Back | 136 | 279 |
| Samson Crawford | Newark | SR | 50 Free | 133 | 100 Breast | 143 | 276 |
| Sean Minderlein | Salesianum | JR | 200 Free | 130 | 500 Free | 138 | 268 |
| Tyler Gehrs | St. Andrews | SR | 50 Free | 138 | 100 Free | 130 | 268 |
| Tommy McKee | Brandywine | SO | 200 Free | 138 | 500 Free | 128 | 266 |
| Ricky Agresta | Archmere | JR | 50 Free | 136 | 100 Free | 129 | 265 |
| Curtis Ramsey | Charter | SR | 50 Free | 132 | 100 Free | 131 | 263 |
| Eric Materniak | Tatnall | JR | 200 IM | 134 | 100 Breast | 128 | 262 |
| Ryan MacLeish | Caesar Rodney | SR | 50 Free | 127 | 100 Free | 128 | 255 |
| Michael Moore | Mt. Pleasant | SR | 100 Fly | 129 | 100 Back | 126 | 255 |
| Dylan Coggin | Archmere | SR | 200 Free | 125 | 100 Free | 125 | 250 |
| Wayde Marsh | Salesianum | SR | 100 Free | 123 | 100 Back | 124 | 247 |
| Jack Reardon | A.I. duPont | SO | 50 Free | 126 | 100 Fly | 119 | 245 |
| Greg Miraglia | Wilmington Frien | JR | 1st place diver | No Second Event | N/A |
| 2nd Team All State |
| Name | School | Class | Event #1 | Points #1 | Event #2 | Points #2 | Total |
| Luke Minka | A.I. duPont | SO | 200 IM | 122 | 100 Breast | 122 | 244 |
| Brad Brooks | Charter | FR | 200 Free | 121 | 500 Free | 123 | 244 |
| Joseph Creekmore | Archmere | SO | 200 Free | 121 | 500 Free | 119 | 240 |
| Zack Pryor | Salesianum | JR | 200 IM | 116 | 100 Fly | 119 | 235 |
| Wills Cooper | St. Andrews | SR | 50 Free | 119 | 100 Free | 115 | 234 |
| Jeong Shin | A.I. duPont | SR | 50 Free | 117 | 100 Free | 114 | 231 |
| Alex Hampel | Salesianum | SO | 200 IM | 115 | 500 Free | 111 | 226 |
| Mike Marando | Middletown | SR | 200 Free | 113 | 100 Breast | 112 | 225 |
| Bryan Brown | Dover | JR | 100 Fly | 103 | 100 Back | 118 | 221 |
| Alan Panaccione | St. Mark's | SO | 200 IM | 100 | 100 Back | 119 | 219 |
| Jeffery Brooks | Charter | SR | 200 IM | 101 | 500 Free | 107 | 208 |
| Jordan Lingo | Milford | SO | 200 Free | 98 | 500 Free | 102 | 200 |
| Seth Klair | A.I. duPont | FR | 100 Breast | 123 | No Second Event | 123 |
| Tim Stradley | A.I. duPont | JR | 200 Free | 115 | No Second Event | 115 |
| John Gravatt | Salesianum | SO | 2nd place diver | No Second Event | N/A |
| 3rd Team All State |
| Name | School | Class | Event #1 | Points #1 | Total |
| Lee Whitney | St. Andrews | SR | 100 Breast | 113 | 113 |
| Benjamin Hitchcock | Newark | SR | 100 Back | 112 | 112 |
| Adam Stilwell | A.I. duPont | SR | 100 Back | 112 | 112 |
| Matt Jennings | A.I. duPont | JR | 100 Breast | 110 | 110 |
| Robert Pagan | Charter | JR | 100 Fly | 107 | 107 |
| Jon Champagne | Tatnall | SR | 100 Fly | 107 | 107 |
| Nicholas Perkucin | Mt. Pleasant | SO | 500 Free | 106 | 106 |
| Adam Keup | Del Mil Acad | SO | 200 IM | 99 | 99 |
| Eric Wegner | Brandywine | SO | 100 Back | 98 | 98 |
| Kyle Fagan | Newark | SR | 200 IM | 84 | 84 |
| Kyle McCormick | Charter | SR | 3rd place diver | N/A |
Hurry.....I can't wait to see your results!!!!
ReplyDeleteJeff, I am an old man....I can't stay up this late! I'll have to check in the morning.
ReplyDeleteSorry, I have to wait for the results to be posted elsewhere online. I might be asleep when that happens, in which case I will update in the morning.
ReplyDeleteis it not on newarks website yet
ReplyDeleteDo you think that Tanner will still get swimmer of the year even though he did not win both his events also because he was not entered in the 100 fly at first do you think that DIAA could hold that against him and give it to Clifton Gordon
ReplyDeleteThe swimmer of the year award should be interesting. Clifton Gordon won the head to head competition with Tanner Kurz. Also, I understand that Clifton's best event is the 200 IM which would have given him more power points. But Sallies already had several swimmers in the 200 IM and needed Gordon to swim the fly and back for team points. Both Tanner and Clifton had outstanding relay legs. Clifton had a total of 4 first place finishes, Tanner only 1. However, Tanner clearly won in total power points. Interesting debate....can't wait for the next 2 years as this rivalry grows.
ReplyDeleteEven though they cant, not give Tanner swimmer of the year, it is going to be a big let down when they do. CLifton Gordon won both of his events AND beat Tanner in 100 butterfly. Breastroke has an insane number of power points which put Tanner ahead of Cliff even though Cliff beat him. DOes it make sense that Tanner wins swimmer of the year over cliff when cliff beat him and won both of his events? Not to mention the late entry by tanner. In all, the power point system is not an accurate system to name the swimmer of the year.
ReplyDeleteIt will be interesting to see what the final decision on that is, I'm not sure when (if ever) someone has won the Swimmer of the Year with only one individual first place, so I'm not sure if it will come down to a vote by the coaches, or if they will decide strictly by power points.
ReplyDeleteIts usually always been strictly power points, but i hope they look at the whole picture of the meet. While both are outstanding swimmers, Cliff is more deserving.
ReplyDeleteWho really cares about swimmer of the year. The way they decide with power pts is skewed anyway, it should be coaches vote only. It does not matter, both are fine young men and tremendous swimmers. To base a "swimmer of the year" on one or two races lasting a total of 2 mins, is goofy. Way to go all swimmers. It takes a lot of dedication and commitment. Don't be upset if you don't get picked for something that doesn't matter.
ReplyDeleteCo-swimmers of the year? Just a thought!!
ReplyDeletewell i knw a couple years ago the same thing happened but it was in the 50 free i forget if it was Grady Carter and somebody else but the person who lost the 50 free because of power points i think since tanner is a great swimmer and i know for a fact that tanner is better swimmer then Clifton in a majority of events i just feel bad for cliff because i know he tried so hard but to base swimmer of the year of the 100 fly which tanner lost by .03 which is like basically the same is stupid give to tanner the system cant be broken and if it does all hell will break loose
ReplyDeletewhy is cliff more deserving do you know what cliff and tanner are doin do you know how sick tanner was at the meet how he was still feelin sick at finals the kid is a competitor and he worked he hardest and relays should not matter with swimmer of the year be real coudl dma really win relays like tht look at tanners spilts they are better then clifton and probably close to the fastest in the events hello people tanner won it fair and square plus there has not been a freshman boy to win it since rory connel
ReplyDeleteit was grady carter and chris brady when they were both seniors in 2006 grady carter beat brady by more then .03 however brady won his 100 fly with the state record 49.12 and carter won the 100 free in a 46.12 and brady still got swimmer of the year it is the same issue and should be looked at in the same way
ReplyDeleteInteresting comments, but Tanner is not better than Clifton in a majority of events. Clifton placed second this year in the Delaware State Championships for boys 15 and over. Tanner placed third. When they were both in the 13-14 age group, Clifton won the Delaware State Championships, Tanner was second. And he was not sick either time. Clifton was ranked in Top Ten in 7 events this year, Tanner was ranked in 6 events. And if you look at their USA-Swimming ranking, Clifton is higher nationally.
ReplyDeleteAt least get the facts straight...Clifton won the 100 fly by .13 seconds, not .03 And Clifton's relay splits in the 50 fly for the medley relay and the 100 free in the 400 free relay were also the fastest in the field.
ReplyDeleteIt shouldn't matter who wins swimmer of the year. I think it was clear to most observers at the meet last night who the better swimmer was and who had the most impressive performance--Cliff Gordon!
ReplyDeleteCliff is an excellent swimmer, so is Tanner. Enough said!!
ReplyDeleteTanner def deserves it he is a BETTER swimmer. He has broken records set by Michael Phelps, Brendan Hansen...and many more, has Clifton Gordon done that..absolutely not. And Tanner did not train as much as Clifton did in the fall, not that even matters the Delaware State Meet is a "Joke" meet, if you would look further a head you would have seen at Clifton and Tanners Championship winter meet, The Holiday Classic, Tanner did better!!
ReplyDeletetanner WAS a better swimmer. first off, that's when michael phelps and brendan hansen were both 12. they weren't even National Age Group record holders yet. it was phelps' regional record. funny thing is now, they both have gold medals. tanner doesn't even swim long course in the summer. and who's fault is it that tanner decided not to train as hard as clifton. clifton had no control over that. he did what he had to do to win. if that meant training harder then too bad. and they both performed equally as well in their holiday meets. plus, they only swam 2 of the same races. they are both great swimmers no doubt. but everyone at UD last night saw who swam better. Clifton swam better. no question.
ReplyDeletehi everyone. thanks for the support. but we both swam very well. so whomever wins SOY, it'll be a good choice. it was a good meet for everyone. and you can't forget the other swimmers too. like sam crawford, curtis ramsey, and tyler gehrs. it was a good meet, a fun time, and lots of fast swimming!
ReplyDeleteyeah whats up AL Hampel, your number one
ReplyDeleteCliff, you are the perfect example of how I teach my kids. I posted earlier and basically said, who cares. You have done a great job and a class act in and out of the pool. Tanner is a great kid also and I know you both respect each other and enjoy competing against each other. Remember, it is not about what the parents think or even want, it is about the kids and sportsmanship! Well done, both of you.
ReplyDeletep.s. next year no one will remember who wins!
If Tanner even swims next year! People have said that he hates swimming and is not going to swim next year.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to convince me that Tanner is the better swimmer when he lost "head to head". And that always is the tie-breaker in sports. And during this meet Clifton won 6 out of 8 swims, including prelims. He was 4 for 4 in individual competition with an improved time with each swim. Tanner won 1 out of 8 swims. Who cares about Micheal Phelps' regional record or how many points Michael Jordan may have scored in a basketball game when he was 11? Head to head is all that matters!!
ReplyDeleteEach event has equal points. No event has more or less. Your time determines your points. The faster you are the more point you will receive up to "200". The slower you are the reverse to "0".
ReplyDeleteFast times will have "High School All American" written on them...this will be a good stating point to view what High School Fast really is...
http://www.inswim.net/2009aacuts.html
http://www.niscaonline.org/
Correction on your Holiday Classic Championship results from this past December. The total points for each swimmer is on the Delaware Swim Team website. Tanner scored in 5 of his events for a total of 52 points. Cliff scored in 6 of his events for a total of 55 points. These swimmers are closer in ability than some want to believe.
ReplyDeleteTanner got 2 All American times automatic as Clifton did not think about... in the state of Delaware cliff and tanner are close but national tanner is better they are both great swimmers but this is just not cliffs year to win maybe next year
ReplyDeleteClifton also got an automatic All American time in the 100 fly and missed by .10 secs in the 100 back.
ReplyDeleteThat .10 in the difference in Tanner winning...both are nationally gifted athletes. If the coaches voted on this Cliff and Tanner could have been over looked. Be careful what you wish for. There is only one fast time.
ReplyDeleteLet me start off by saying that I have much respect for both athletes, both in the pool, and maybe even more importantly, out of the pool. As far as who wins, in the end, I think the general consensus is that it isn't really important. Either one of them is deserving, and no matter who is selected, some people will disagree. And in the long run, both swimmers will be able to compete at the collegiate level and beyond should they choose to, probably at many different colleges, regardless of whether they were named "Swimmer of the Year" for the state of Delaware.
ReplyDeleteClifton, No matter how the points breakdown, I just want you to know that I thought that you were the class of the field last night. Your efforts not only resulted in two individual wins but you also made the difference in both relays you swam. What ever comes your way it will come down to points. I am confident that you will handle it with class and dignity because that is the kind of person you are. Even though my son swam against you for another team, I could not help but be in awe of your dominance.
ReplyDeleteJeff,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your blog. It has really kept everyone informed and updated throughout our swim season. I'm amazed at all the attention the Swimmer of the Year conversation has generated. As Clifton's dad, I am extremely proud of his performance at the State Meet. I'm even prouder of the kind of person he has grown up to be. I've known Tanner for many years, too. He has always been an outstanding young man and athlete and a great teammate to Clifton as well. I hope both young men realize there have been some excellent swimmers from Delaware over the years, ie Chris Brady, Rory Connell and Christy Williams to name only a few. Neither Clifton nor Tanner is as accomplished at this point as those swimmers. Only time will tell. Even locally this year I think we would all agree that Andrew Gemmell is the best male swimmer in our area. I wish I could instill his work ethic in both Clifton and Tanner, something they will need to succeed at the next level. Let's hope that both young men continue to swim and challenge each other to be their very best. The Swimmer of the Year Award, no matter which young man is chosen, is not that important and will soon be placed on the back shelf along with so many of the other awards Tanner and Clifton have received in swimming over the years. What should matter is that we all enjoyed the competition last evening and wish only the best for not only these two, but all of the young men and women who swam so well this week and made all of us so proud.
amen!!
ReplyDeleteTo the previous poster about all american, Cliff had 3 automatics at the meet. 100fly, 200medley relay, 400 freestyle relay and cosideration for his 4th event 100back (time for consideration 53.68, he swam 52.16) Tanner had 2.
ReplyDeleteI agree with a lot of these posts, every post is pretty true here, in their own way. However lets base the argument on High school states 2009 preformance not tanners 11-12, and 13-14 seasons when he shattered some pretty fast swimmers records. Just because he broke those in the PAST, does not make him a better swimmer in the PRESENT. but congradulations to both boys, both are deserving of the award, and whoever gets it gets it.
ReplyDeletewho mentioned my name?
ReplyDeleteSNOW DAY!! and alex hampel is rockin
ReplyDeleteClifton Gordon. Enough said
ReplyDeletePa supports Cliff!!!
Delaware supports TANNER!!!!
ReplyDeleteWow that was not me!!
ReplyDeleteStop being retarded and putting my name down... please. I haVe nothing to do with this arguement
ReplyDeletehahaha wow.... and just to let everyone know i know clifton got it in a relay but sals is a faster school then dma that should go into consideration both swimmers are good i do not know why this is such a big deal both went super fast had amazing times but tanner got more power points so he gets it cliton got more first who cares it was close amen to the meet it is over tanner and cliff are amazing swimmers in the future both are goinng to be amzing the boys soy is not a big deal just let it be said tanner is going to win becauseof power points that is the way it has always been why change the system this year change it for next year if it is a big deal
ReplyDeletewell the system has been changed before. obviously. since tanner got in 100 fly. the old system wouldn't have let him in
ReplyDeletedon't agree. Sallies is not a faster school. All the relay teams are made up of club swimmers. That includes DMA relays. all of those guys swim in the same practice groups year round and are very close in talent. Sallies has more depth overall in a dual meet, but that has nothing to do with these relay teams from both schools. dma should have been able to win the relays just like sallies did.
ReplyDeleteGood point. tanner should have never been allowed in the meet in the fly in the first place. then none of this would have mattered. i hope the coaches remember that.
ReplyDeleteHistorically, Power Points have always determined Swimmer of the Year. This almost exactly parallels what happened 3 years ago between Grady Carter and Chris Brady. Sure, Grady beat Chris head to head in a 50 free, but it was considered Grady's best event and Brady's second best. I feel Cliff's best event and Tanner's second best event in this case is fly. They are both very talented swimmers with bright futures, but this year I think Tanner should and will take home SOY. Also, Tanner had a full 11 power points more than Cliff. I believe Chris Brady only had 3-6 more than Grady Carter.
ReplyDeleteAs to Tanner actually swimming the 100 fly, I don't believe DIAA and the officials would have ever let him swim it if there wasn't ample evidence that it was not DMA's fault. From what I've heard, DMA printed their entries after submitting and Tanner was in fact in the 100 fly; they claimed the problem was on DIAA's end, which, since he swam the event, I am inclined to believe.
On another note: 1st team All-State this year was Very Fast. Normally, it takes around 230 power points to make it. In 2006, it took only around 215. This year, it took 245?
Looking at the distribution, 6 of the top 8 in Both the 50 and 100 free made 1st team.
Is this increase just a year-to-year fluctuation or is swimming getting that much faster between the suits/training?
With this increase in speed, we also saw 3 records (between girls and boys) fall, with a few more getting very close (Sallies Medley? 2 teams in the 2FRR?).
My closing thought goes back to the Swimmer of the Year controversy. Jeff mentioned Nicole Vernon was the clear winner. She only beat out Kaitlyn Jones by 5 points (305 - 299). This is less than half of what Tanner beat Cliff by. (Granted, Nicole smashed a record, but Kaitlyn was only .12 off in her 200 IM).
Happy Swimming.
I am not sure some of the comments about best events are true. We can't make assumptions about "best" events, only the facts about what they swam. Tanner had a 50 split in his 200free relay that was faster than the winner of the 50free event. Cliff had a 100 split in his 400free relay that would have been 2nd in the 100free event. According to times for both in the Christmas Meet for DST their 200 IM times were considerably faster than the winning time at the State Meet and both would have earned more power points. Swimmers are sometimes required to swim certain events based on team needs, not their "best" events necessarily. The only certain fact is that Tanner's power point total was 11 higher than Cliff's. If that is the only criteria used for SOY, then there is no debate about who should get the award. Also Brady set a State Record that year in the fly, which I'm sure played a part in the decision to give him the award.
ReplyDeleteYou can't compare Nicole Vernon and Kaitlyn Jones to Cliff and Tanner's situation. Nicole and Kaitlyn each won both of their events and they didn't swim head to head. The only way to determine the difference between them is by power points and the fact that Nicole set a record. Tanner and Cliff did swim head to head. And of these 4 swimmers only Cliff lead 2 different relay teams to victory both with All American times.
ReplyDeleteJeff, here's a thought for everybody. How about the coaches picking the SOY based on competition prior to the State Meet? Like major league baseball does prior to the playoffs or college football does for the Heisman Trophy prior to the bowl games. The coaches could establish whatever criteria they feel appropriate. This could encourage club swimmers to swim more of their HS team meets and could put more value on the performances at those meets. Then a second award could be given for Outstanding Performance or MVP at the State Meet as determined also by coaches' criteria (events won, points earned, power points achieved or whatever). Just a thought...
ReplyDeleteThis is an interesting debate where it looks like most agree that the High School SOY award is not necessarily given to the High School SOY. It is definitely not given to the best swimmer in the State of Delaware. Jeff … another interesting blog you can create!
ReplyDeleteThe current HSSOY award is really the HS Champs MVS (most valuable swimmer). It looks like it is based on swimming two events at championships (one meet) and using an outdated table to differentiate points awarded between strokes. As “coach” stated above, these 2 events are chosen by the coach based on what is best for the Team, not necessarily the swimmers best events. This is the way it should be. It is a Team meet. The reality is that some parents try to pick which events their kids will swim at champs to “maximize” the points their child may receive. This puts an “I” in Te”I’am” and causes controversy. IMO, the MVS should be chosen by points earned for the Team at championships, excluding relays. You may have co-MVS. This removes the “I” in Team. When you try and pick one MVS over another, you are spelling Team with an “I.” Same for first state, 2nd state, etc, base it on points earned for the Team in individual events.
If you chose a HS SOY, it should be done like in baseball and chosen over the course of the season, not just one meet, 2 events. It should be chosen by the coaches based on the contribution the swimmer(s) (co-SOYs) made to the Team during the entire season. Meets attended, results, attitude, sportsmanship, etc.
regarding Tanner's entry into to 100Fly - I was told by a DIAA person at the meet that the reason he was allowed in was that "it was only the second year that online entries were used" and even tho it was "the coaches mistake" they allowed a change. There was no printed DMA entry with him on it. And next year there will be a 24 hour "grace period" after online entries to fix any "errors" to avoid this in the future.
ReplyDeleteResponse to outdated times table….
ReplyDeleteUSA swimming Standard for Points. See USA swimming database by times and events:
(using 16 year old age as points for both T&C)
Tanner
Breast 56.97 (57.07 was used) = 874 points
Fly 50.66 = 770 points
Total points = 1663
Clif
Fly 50.53 = 809 points
Back 52.16 = 784 points
Total points = 1593
USA database has Tanner 56 points ahead.
The database used by DE states parallels the USA database. Its not flawed. If anything its conservative.
Just the facts….serve our children the best. Politics and bartering should remain with Football, Basketball, Baseball, Soccer, etc…..Our swimmers are all timed no need to vote.
I think for SOY all swimmers times should be added up for all the dual meets and finals to come up with SOY winner. Time and team participation then truly would be served. No one would hid all would be on the table...
It is a flawed system using power points in the State Meet. In USA-Swimming a swimmer is allowed to swim any and all events (certainly more than 2). Usually a swimmer will swim his/her BEST events. In our State format, winning the State Championship is critical to SOME teams. Therefore swimmers aren't always given the choice to swim their BEST events to earn maximum power points. If every swimmer was allowed to swim every event in States, then and only then could a true champion be determined by the power point system. That is exactly why it works for USA-Swimming and not for Delaware States. Most USA Swimming meets allow up to 7 events over 3 days. And the IMX power point system even requires that ALL swimmers compete in the same 6 events in order to be scored!! If a swimmer only swims 5 of those events during the year, then he or she will not receive a score at all. And by the way, Cliff is ranked #39 nationally in 15-16 year old males, Tanner is #69 when using the IMX power point system by USA Swimmimg fairly as it was designed to be used. Swimmers must swim the SAME events if the scores are to be considered valid to determine a champion.
ReplyDeleteRecently did a review of previous State Meets; it's available on DIAA. The 2006 results have come up several times when comparing this year's results. Grady Carter did beat Chris Brady in the 50 free, but Brady then went on to win SOY. What everyone has failed to remember or conveniently did not bring up is that Brady set TWO State records that year. Of course he should win SOY. He and Carter both broke the 50 free record, with Carter then finishing first overall. And Brady then went on to set a new record in the 100 fly. If you set 2 State records, you would get my vote for SOY!
ReplyDeleteDear flawed system...I think Clif and Tanner swam the same individual events... both 100's
ReplyDeleteIMX rankings for 15-16 yr olds are judged on and only allow for 200 yard swims and 400IM and 500 yrd swims...I don't know why you brought in the IMX scoring. your struggling
The point is that the IMX score only works when the swimmers are required to swim the SAME events and ALL of the events being measured. They did not swim the same events and only a small sample of the events offered.
ReplyDeleteI think we can all agree that the system needs to be tweaked. Of course, it is too late this year. We all recognize that. But two years ago PJ Koppel was SOY. Last year Josh Hyman was SOY. This year the swimmer with the highest power point total is Tanner, Sam Crawford is 3rd, only 3 points behind Cliff. The one thing they all have in common is that they are excellent breast strokers. The power point scoring is weighted towards good breast strokers. Even the 200 IM tends to reward a good time with more points than other events. And in the 200 IM a good breast stroke is usually required. I think it would be a good idea for coaches and DIAA to review the system and come up with ways to consider other factors in their decision for SOY as we go forward. Maybe they will if enough concerns are voiced.
ReplyDeleteYes, Tweaked I am concerned...To me...what this really means is that today in DE - Free, Fly, & Back strokers are slow. Because of this you want to handicap the breast and IM events so the other strokes can receive recognition for being slow...
ReplyDeleteSOY Chris Brady's 50 and 100 fly times crushes Clif and Tanners times for points...so your “tweak the breast and IM” events for less points is at best biased. Brady beat Carter because of his total points. Fast times in two events (free/fly) = more points.....for Brady and SOY title.
Michael Phelps 200IM is the fastest in the world and his weakest strokes are the breast...followed by the back... The two individual events he chose not to swim in the Olympics...
I do not agree and cannot buy the tweaked solution. The solution lies on the swimmers shoulders. Not a fix....
But what you all I guess are not understanding is that this system is not going by USA Swimming! They are going off of the two events that these two swimmers SWAM at High School States. Who cares who is ranked Nationally??? Not DIAA. SOY is done by power points, I mean it is fair to say CLifton beat Tanner in that one event, causing him to win both his events(good for him!!). But he did not get enough power points to win, it is as easy as anything to see Tanner is an AMAZING breaststroker, that is obvious. He got more power points he gets swimmer of the year! Sorry Clifton Get 'Em next year.
ReplyDeleteTo bad Andrew Gemmell didn't do high school. He went 4:23 in his 500 and 1:49 in his 200 IM. Would have made everything a lot easier.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes tanners breast was better than cliffs back.
Using the Team approach, AG may not have swam those events.
ReplyDeleteThink about this, what if Ramsey beat Tanner in the 100 breast? Tanner finishes with 2 second places but more points.
1:49 in his 200 back stroke not 200 IM...Check again
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, Curtis will not swim against Tanner. He just won't. He was absent for the DMA/ CSW meet and did not swim against him this summer. He also did not want to swim against his BRY buddy, Tommy McKee in the Brandywine meet.Some swimmers are in it for their team; others are in it for themselves.
ReplyDeleteActually, Curtis was sick on the day of the Brandywine meet, and went home from school early. That is why he couldn't swim against Tommy McKee. Second of all, he was told that he did not have to come to the DMA meet against Charter, where Charter won. Also, Tanner swam the 200 and 500 free, while Curtis would have swam the 50 and 100 free, not even racing Tanner! He was an influential team captain, and well respected by everyone on the team. He is in it for the team.
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